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Adaptability needs to replace fear in the future of work

WorkingNation's Joan Lynch and Ramona Schindelheim, along with the Milken Institute Center on the Future of Aging's Paul Irving, join host Hal Eisner for a discussion on the future of work on "What the Hal?" podcast.
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“Population aging — the impacts of it, this combination of increasingly long lives (longevity) and declining birth rates — is really going to change everything about our world,” Paul Irving, chairman of the Milken Institute Center for the Future of Aging, told the host of What the Hal? podcast Hal Eisner of FOX 11 News – KTTV LA Wednesday.

Paul Irving during podcast
Paul Irving. (WorkingNation)

Irving joined WorkingNation’s Chief Content and Programming Officer Joan Lynch and Editor-in-Chief Ramona Schindelheim to discuss the future of work and the work we do in the U.S.

“More people want to work longer, need to work longer (because they need the money), they should work longer (because it’s stimulating and engaging), but the reality is the retirement age really hasn’t moved that much,” Irving added.

One of the reasons many people may still choose to retire in their early 50s and 60s, even as life spans increase, is due to the fast-changing pace of today’s workforce. In case you haven’t heard or witnessed it at your job, the world is smack dab in the middle of a revolution — a Fourth Industrial Revolution. Technology is changing the skill sets needed of workers and is creating a massive skills gap. The answer: more education.

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Ramona Schindelheim during podcast
Ramona Schindelheim (WorkingNation)

“We have to rethink the way we look at education,” Schindelheim offered. “It’s the lifelong learning model.”

But the problem, as Eisner pointed out, is that many workers in their 40s and 50s (going toward 60) who have kids, mortgages, etc. — when are they going to have time to retrain?

It’s a legitimate question and a dilemma WorkingNation witnessed during coverage of the news Carrier was closing its Indianapolis plant in 2016 to move to Mexico.

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“One of the things that was interesting — and speaks to the fear in this country — is we were talking to these folks, and there was a number of them, that said they were more comfortable being unemployed than being retrained,” Lynch said.

For many of them the words “education” and “retraining” conjured up memories of being in a classroom with a chalkboard — but therein lies the beauty of technology. The way workers and the unemployed can get the relevant skills they need fast is in the middle of its own revolution.

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Joan Lynch on podcast
Joan Lynch (WorkingNation)

“In a couple of those cases, we asked people, ‘Do you like to play video games?’ ‘Yeah, I do.’ ‘Oh well, that’s actually how they train. They use VR [virtual reality] to train in some of these programs that in six weeks you could train to have a job here in Indianapolis,'” Lynch advised. “And that’s surprising to people. And that’s where WorkingNation fills the gap. Where we’re saying to people, ‘Let me work with you. What are you good at? What do you want to do? And then, in your community what are your opportunities?'”

The challenge for us, Irving added, is recognizing the diversity of talents and needs and expectations. “The next thing we need is an ‘Education New Deal’ that has to involve a lifelong learning strategy.”

A big part of that will be teaching adaptability and flexibility and the kinds of things which need to happen to respond to a very fast-moving series of changes in the future that are very unlikely to slow down, Irving concluded.

Listen to the full conversation below.

Dana Beth Ardi

Executive Committee

Dana Beth Ardi, PhD, Executive Committee, is a thought leader and expert in the fields of executive search, talent management, organizational design, assessment, leadership and coaching. As an innovator in the human capital movement, Ardi creates enhanced value in companies by matching the most sought after talent with the best opportunities. Ardi coaches boards and investors on the art and science of building high caliber management teams. She provides them with the necessary skills to seek out and attract top-level management, to design the ideal organizational architectures and to deploy people against strategy. Ardi unearths the way a business works and the most effective way for people to work in them.

Ardi is an experienced business executive and senior consultant who leverages business organizational transformation through talent strategies. She uses her knowledge and experience to develop talent strategies to enhance revenue and profit contributions. She has a deep expertise in change management and organizational effectiveness and has designed and built high performance cultures. Ardi has significant experience in mergers, acquisitions, divestitures, IPO’s and turnarounds.

Ardi is an expert on the multi-generational workforce. She understands the four intersecting generations of workers coming together in contemporary companies, each with their own mindsets, leadership and communications styles, values and motivations. Ardi is sought after to assist companies manage and thrive by bringing the generations together. Her book, Fall of the Alphas: How Beta Leaders Win Through Connection, Collaboration and Influence, will be published by St. Martin’s Press. The book reflects Ardi’s deep expertise in understanding organizations and our changing society. It focuses on building a winning culture, how companies must grow and evolve, and how talent influences and shapes communities of work. This is what she has coined “Corporate Anthropology.” It is a playbook on how modern companies must meet challenges – culturally, globally, digitally, across genders and generations.

Ardi is currently the Managing Director and Founder of Corporate Anthropology Advisors, LLC, a consulting company that provides human capital advisory and innovative solutions to companies building value through people. Corporate Anthropology works with organizations, their cultures, the way they grow and develop, and the people who are responsible for forming their communities of work.

Prior to her position at Corporate Anthropology Advisors, Ardi served as a Partner/Managing Director at the private equity firms CCMP Capital and JPMorgan Partners. She was a partner at Flatiron Partners, a venture capital firm working with early state companies where she pioneered the human capital role within an investment portfolio.

Ardi holds a BS from the State University of New York at Buffalo as well as a Masters degree and PhD from Boston College. She started her career as professor at the Graduate Center at Fordham University in New York.